Here's some more whatdaya think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1rAwRlDtrw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvA5k_ZQa58

I can say they are using a good catalyst.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

KenpoProfessor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1rAwRlDtrw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvA5k_ZQa58

 

I can say they are using a good catalyst.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

The term catalyst is not in the EoK, could some one explain how it is applied to EPAK/sub level 4 as viewed?  The term is normally involved in chemicals, (action or reation) also a person who persipitates a change as in catalysis. Since I have not used this site looking for definitions of EPAK terms, is one here? Based on my question and also an answer is there, am I close?

Gary

Well I finally see what they are doing at the end of all their techniques in the air now. Its that wedge to keep distance and then strike to the head. I kind of dug that choke in the first clip, I have never tried that at that spot, I am going to go play with it and see how that works.

I dont really understand why in the first clip he smacks his own hips before going into the technique. Seems to be counter to efficient movement, and point of origin. I know they will say it has to do with aligning their muscles for some reason, but I think I would have to feel and do it before I made a decision on whether I thought it was real or not.

I also hate that attack... I have used the side headlock on people  in the past, and I do it completely different, I twist and drop all my weight onto their shoulder driving them into the ground. The twist combined with the drop of weight makes it damn near impossible to get your footing and people just drop face first in the dirt....or whatever your standing on.

KenpoProfessor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1rAwRlDtrw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvA5k_ZQa58

 

I can say they are using a good catalyst.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

I don't like the way he disengages in the second clip. I see he seems to be waiting for a response but without a check, in this video at least, I see his opponent able to initiate some other orbit. It's so different from what we do with the tech I can't really say what's good about it.

The first one looked pretty decent and the finish looks like fun. Instead of dragging the opponent though wouldn't it have been a little easier just to stand up a little?

CT

Gabster:

The term catalyst is not in the EoK, could some one explain how it is applied to EPAK/sub level 4 as viewed?  The term is normally involved in chemicals, (action or reation) also a person who persipitates a change as in catalysis. Since I have not used this site looking for definitions of EPAK terms, is one here? Based on my question and also an answer is there, am I close?

LuckyKBoxer:

Gabster:

The term catalyst is not in the EoK, could some one explain how it is applied to EPAK/sub level 4 as viewed?  The term is normally involved in chemicals, (action or reation) also a person who persipitates a change as in catalysis. Since I have not used this site looking for definitions of EPAK terms, is one here? Based on my question and also an answer is there, am I close?

 

Main Entry: cat·a·lyst  Pronunciation: \ˈka-tə-ləst\ Function: noun Date: 1902

1 : a substance that enables a chemical reaction to proceed at a usually faster rate or under different conditions (as at a lower temperature) than otherwise possible 2 : an agent that provokes or speeds significant change or action

look at the second definition, and substitute the word physical movement for agent.

Thanks Lucky, I have read that also in an English Dictionary. I was wondering if catalyst was being used in a way that ARMM is used, which the terms are all interconnected (redundant) in English Dictionary, but not in the EoK.. . As explained by Clark some time ago.

Also you mention:

Well I finally see what they are doing at the end of all their techniques in the air now. Its that wedge to keep distance and then strike to the head. I kind of dug that choke in the first clip, I have never tried that at that spot, I am going to go play with it and see how that works.

I have used that many times but normally it has always gone to the ground with myself in the above strong position, when you use a choke like that and exert a force that big men (large 200+) do,  the recipient goes to the ground (legs go out) then you are left there trying to hold them up, no, not a good idea, best to follow to the ground if you have your back covered, if not, disconnect and push/strike/kick the person and they go to the ground on their own. Choking fast and with a hard hit is usually enough to have them on the ground. I have seen.

Regards,Gary

LuckyKBoxer:

Well I finally see what they are doing at the end of all their techniques in the air now. Its that wedge to keep distance and then strike to the head. I kind of dug that choke in the first clip, I have never tried that at that spot, I am going to go play with it and see how that works.

I dont really understand why in the first clip he smacks his own hips before going into the technique. Seems to be counter to efficient movement, and point of origin. I know they will say it has to do with aligning their muscles for some reason, but I think I would have to feel and do it before I made a decision on whether I thought it was real or not.

I also hate that attack... I have used the side headlock on people  in the past, and I do it completely different, I twist and drop all my weight onto their shoulder driving them into the ground. The twist combined with the drop of weight makes it damn near impossible to get your footing and people just drop face first in the dirt....or whatever your standing on.

Try hitting the groin without exposing it first, I'd almost bet you end up hitting thigh instead.    The position of the opponent's right leg determines either Grasp of Death or Grip of Death.    Non contact would be Grasp and contact would be Grip.    Each of the scenarios leaves the groin available as a target from a different position.      Something I've seen commonly is people not erecting the posture and keeping bent at the waist when they attempt these techs and they create their own angle of disturbance by doing so.

That neck crank they used in the vid for Grip of Death is very common, but using it in that context leaves the width and depth dimensions open for counters 3 dimenisonally.   You can clearly see the left arm flopping and able to single leg takedown or smack groin and gravitational pull down to free the right arm and release pressure by fusing the elbow closer to the body.    This crank works best from guard or dominant top on the ground where 2 dimensions are king and gravity cannnot become a factor.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

Gabster:

Thanks Lucky, I have read that also in an English Dictionary. I was wondering if catalyst was being used in a way that ARMM is used, which the terms are all interconnected (redundant) in English Dictionary, but not in the EoK.. . As explained by Clark some time ago.

I would say no.

Catalyst is a direct way of describing what you are seeing to make you react, and it changes.... thus you A.R.M.M..... which is just 4 words that is taken directly from the existing kenpo verbiage.

 They weren't bad, but I agree with CT, the loose to much contact with their opponent.  I like that they deal with the re-engagement of the opponent, but I think the counters lack.

KenpoProfessor:

Try hitting the groin without exposing it first, I'd almost bet you end up hitting thigh instead.    The position of the opponent's right leg determines either Grasp of Death or Grip of Death.    Non contact would be Grasp and contact would be Grip.    Each of the scenarios leaves the groin available as a target from a different position.      Something I've seen commonly is people not erecting the posture and keeping bent at the waist when they attempt these techs and they create their own angle of disturbance by doing so.

 I am not sure if I posted clearly. I dont hate defending against the side headlock. But to be honest as long as the guy is under 275ish I prefer to pick him up and slam his back over my knee, but thats another topic..... I just hate the way people apply the side headlock.

Everyone I have known that has every done a sideheadlock on a person in a real life situation does it differently then I see most kenpo people apply it. for example when I do the side headlock I twist my body so my right side pushes down towards the ground and my left side rotates towards the sky, at the same time I drop my weight down on his left shoulder as I step forward. I have not had anyone yet who was able to step forward and keep their balance, every person I do this attack on drops face to the floor. I am sure my weight and strength is a big reason this happens though, but I have done with on Kenpo and BJJ/MMA guys and the reaction is the same. Its funny too because BJJ has self defense techniques against the side headlock attack as well, they are different of course then ours, but they apply the headlock the same way we well.... It just seems odd to me is all.

LuckyKBoxer:

 

I dont really understand why in the first clip he smacks his own hips before going into the technique. Seems to be counter to efficient movement, and point of origin. I know they will say it has to do with aligning their muscles for some reason, but I think I would have to feel and do it before I made a decision on whether I thought it was real or not.

 

I believe they are hitting heart 9 or a chakra point on themselves to increase their Chi Power, It's Sublevel 4 stuff, you just wouldn't understand.

kenporonin:

 They weren't bad, but I agree with CT, the loose to much contact with their opponent.  I like that they deal with the re-engagement of the opponent, but I think the counters lack.

I believe the result that is being shown by the recipient, is not a good example of what really happens when you strike hard into the throat or the groining when it is open and available (as Clyde mentions). They go down, disengage is the best, not to go back and continue to pummel.

Gary

LuckyKBoxer:

KenpoProfessor:

Try hitting the groin without exposing it first, I'd almost bet you end up hitting thigh instead.    The position of the opponent's right leg determines either Grasp of Death or Grip of Death.    Non contact would be Grasp and contact would be Grip.    Each of the scenarios leaves the groin available as a target from a different position.      Something I've seen commonly is people not erecting the posture and keeping bent at the waist when they attempt these techs and they create their own angle of disturbance by doing so.

 

 I am not sure if I posted clearly. I dont hate defending against the side headlock... I hate the way people apply the side headlock.

Everyone I have known that has every done a sideheadlock on a person in a real life situation does it differently then I see most kenpo people apply it. for example when I do the side headlock I twist my body so my right side pushes down towards the ground and my left side rotates towards the sky, at the same time I drop my weight down on his left shoulder as I step forward. I have not had anyone yet who was able to step forward and keep their balance, every person I do this attack on drops face to the floor. I am sure my weight and strength is a big reason this happens though, but I have done with on Kenpo and BJJ/MMA guys and the reaction is the same. Its funny too because BJJ has self defense techniques against the side headlock attack as well, they are different of course then ours, but they apply the headlock the same way we well.... It just seems odd to me is all.

There are many variations of attacks, different catalists once they get you into a position and all the other variables out there.  You are a trained fighter and have came up with a way that will be harder to defend than your traditional attacker. (or at least it sounds like that to be the case)  It is tought to work out the variables over the internet as opposed to the mats.  My point is this how many people out there are going to know how to do what you are doing?  Most people don't have the skills and are more likely just grab the head any way they can. 

I trained at a boxing gym and had some top notch boxers there.  I had a tough time making techniques work on their punches, to fast to proper... It isn't the system doesn't work, it is some people don't make the mistakes most do for us to capitalize on.

kenporonin:

It isn't the system doesn't work, it is some people don't make the mistakes most do for us to capitalize on.

That is a great way to put it... I never ever insinuated the system doesn't work. Against a sidelock, our techniques work much better then anything i have seen elsewhere. I don't know where I got the side headlock i use from, but I did it what way long before I started taking martial arts..I see your in Vegas.. I get out there ever so often, I would love to check out your school, and possibly hit the mats a bit in the future...

Of course it might be hard to find time between the tables, the clubs, and the cabana poolside.... but maybe I could make an extra day in there lol.

I trained at a boxing gym and had some top notch boxers there.  I had a tough time making techniques work on their punches, to fast to proper... It isn't the system doesn't work, it is some people don't make the mistakes most do for us to capitalize on.

It is knowledge and training, for example. Yesterday I only had enough time for some bag work, so I did the speed bag for 30 minutes and 15 or so on a heavy and then shadow, lot's of foot work and foot work dills in the last 15 min...Move feet even if on the speed bag. Important to the max.

Speed bag, make it a ritual.

Gary